JackFalcon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Awesome HTML5Dev community..: BABYLONJS on STEAM!!! Appreciation for BABYLONJS and HTML5GAMEDEVS ... special thanks: The game is called BOXiGON: https://store.steampowered.com/app/842490/BOXiGON/ GOAL: the entire purpose is to TEST THE HTML5 MARKETPLACE. Including: - attempt at FaceBook "Instant" - "MS App Store". - and braving the "HTML5~Portal~Jungle"!!! PURPOSE: figure out the "3DWebPipeline" then BabylonJS (Cinematics) "Episodic Visual Novels" - ready to roll. Post here if you have questions or comments. BABYLONJS TEAM Thank you, jerome, inteja, trevordev and 7 others 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 This is so COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL!! Thanks a lot team! This is so kind of you and I'm so proud of all the work you achieve! I wish you a LOT of success on Steam! And thank you so much for your best practices article! Once again congrats!!! JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerome Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Congrats !!! JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 UPDATE: Two weeks on STEAM for only a handful of sales. Organic interest, not sales. That is ok. BOXiGON V1 purpose is to prove pipelines. So, decision to skip facebook gameroom for now. And we built a DAC .appx Bridge App for Windows Store UWP, verified... and attempting approval now. Decided to Capture -> Best-Practice Retrospective -> HERE. Like before. Will cover STEAM and Windows Store, Facebook ... below. ... Overall idea is to build out a pipeline then send BABYLONJS puzzle games down it - to the best market. AND: best-market is... hard to find! : ) Suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 What about mobiles? This seems more adapted to mobile JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Yes. V2 is MOBILE! Doing that now... PLAN: 1) prove pipeline for STEAM, Windows Store, Facebook, AND Amazon. 2) mobile version. Possibly word game, with WebGL practice (in pipeline). DEPENDS ON PLATFORM. 3) Then Episodic Adventure Cinematics - with BabylonJS. GameMonetize 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 UPDATE: MS APP STORE. We decided to pull plug on MS App Store. Because in short (for anyone braving the App Store stack): "UWA" process to get "Bridge-App" Build to "appx" with "DAC", set up *many "Environment Variables" to 3gig(!) SDK, and then sign cert 'crt', multiple rebuilds from cheesy Naming Convention requirement failures (not well documented), plus dashboard failures on taxes (over spaces), old docs mixed with new docs. And then on step 99/100, final error when ready to 'Upload App' --> 'Something went wrong. Try refreshing your browser." Lol! Submit button disabled. Customer service chats, up until "PSR" for engineering to troubleshoot on my system? Repush same build, same error. And ... out of time. : ) AND through all that -> didn't find PWA (which is what I was searching for all along). Skipping App Store Stack all together. Big (app store) Elephant -> doesn't fit requirements. Need marketplace to be easy, quick, and flexible... like open-source JS. We need delivery to be Episodic. RESULTS SO FAR: STEAM - little organic interest in a massive crowd of great games. WINDOWS - long process and bugs. FACEBOOK - suffocating security blanket. AMAZON - "Does not support WebGL" while docs say it does. FB Requirements: Needs SSL. UPDATE - didn't find a FREE solution (good advice below) had to plunk down $ (checked 3 hosts Heroku, NameCheap, GoDaddy). UPDATE: optimized (SSL) render through Heroku - PASS! BACK! : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Thanks for reporting! JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 15, 2018 Author Share Posted November 15, 2018 UPDATE: Facebook gaming platform is massive.... with "GameRoom" sdk, for native. NOTE: Temechon did an awesome technical on this: https://doc.babylonjs.com/resources/babylonjs_and_instant_games The relatively new market on FaceBook in 2018, is called "Instant Games". Giving that a try! https://developers.facebook.com/docs/games/instant-games UPDATE: new security hurdles - fyi. Good News (if you've not seen): BABYLONJS is at the TOP of compatible games!!! In an alphabetical list... still - great to see BABYLONJS at the TOP! https://developers.facebook.com/docs/games/instant-games/compatible-engines Wingnut, jerome and GameMonetize 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 UPDATE - market shopping. fb security policy has gone gonzo. Won't let me use the beautiful-falcon-face avatar - what? And - my location cannot be.. bermuda??? Seems like a cost for security is insecurity. Apparently - birds aren't people, and you can't live in a fantasy world (like me) - if you want to be on fb. : ) next(); STATUS: Reviewing... 1. "HTML5 Portal"! 2. SSL hosting of free stuff w/ ads (yum!) 3. Licensing recon. -out JohnK and Sebavan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 11/2/2018 at 5:56 PM, JackFalcon said: Needs SSL. UPDATE - didn't find a FREE solution - had to plunk down about $100.00 (everywhere I applied SSL). Check out letsencrypt: https://letsencrypt.org/ JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 @adam, nice 1. Yes, checked it out...letsencrypt gives the .crt cert file perfectly.. Ding, occurs at the last moment - by heroku, on the upload, after applying free cert cmd line - gets this message: Quote ! You need to be running on either Hobby or Professional dynos to be able to ! use SNI SSL. > Hobby is ~$80yr. Confirmed trickiness in a blog...(check out that title) https://www.lewagon.com/blog/setting-up-a-free-ssl-certificate-on-heroku Quote Although the certificate is free, you still need to upgrade your application to at least a Hobby plan to use it. Ha - ha! <jokes-remove> Grumble, grumble... So far - got the free cert, but hosts charge... to use it. Looking at -> GoD@ddy, NameCh3ap, Her0ku, dropb0x[?]). SOLUTION: plunks down cash. Officially "hobby plan" on heroku (celebrate) AND green icon works instantly - imagine that! : ) Will review other options... still searching for open-source marketplace for 3d creations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I usually use Linode or Digital Ocean and havent had any issues with letsencrypt on those. JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanONeill1970 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 For SSL, have you considered CloudFlare.com? I use it for a few sites and you get free SSL and global caching. You just have to point your name servers at them so they front the traffic for your (it's safe, been using it for years). All free too (and I've run some high bandwidth sites on there). JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 @adam - awesome. Both on list: DigitalOcean and Linode and Cloudflare, with letsencrypt, to see if hosting prices (including SSL) overall - end up less than ~$80. That's a goal. FINDING: Hosts find clever ways to add dollars! (WhoisGuard - lol). And -> there are often "hidden fees". GOAL: Looking for Fully-open-Source end-to-end "pipeline" - HTML5 Marketplace. STATUS: the last link in the chain ... is a jungle! Haven't found open-source equivalent of -> "Html5 Marketplace" (yet). Compiled a long list of 1) "portals" and 2) "publishers", (below); If those two (exhaustive) options do not pay out - then fav ... #3) push direct-to-web - with FREE~STUFF! (80% there). SSL is helpful for option 3) because: nodejs backend; subs, paypal/patreon, ads (pay to remove), etc. And "promoters". Feels like a expedition to Machu Picchu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machu_Picchu Ready machete -> Into the ~Digital~Marketplace~Jungle! CloudFlare.com - didn't pop up on radar. Also... firebase? Thanks @RyanONeill1970 ! Looks good. Rock-n-roll... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Welcome to the Jungle. UPDATING results below... Organized as STACKs. To build variations. Here... <machete/> * WEB-STACK: freemium, adSTACK, subs, silenceads, PayPal, Stripe, SendOwl. https://stripe.com/terminal adSense * NATIVE-STACK: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STEAM,FB:Instant-Games, MS:AppStore https://developer.amazon.com/webapps adMob (only works here). * SOCIAL-STACK:----------------------------------------------------------------------- Twitter, Instagram, FB, Blender, CGCookie, https://www.gamingtribe.com/ https://www.gamingtribe.com/page/GTribe * PATRON-STACK:---------------------------------------------------------------------- Patreon, GUMROAD(!) Kickstarter, indigogo. * PROMO-STACK: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- YouTube, https://thisonlineworld.com/2018/02/25/twitch-streaming-guide/ * HOST-STACK:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Heroku, Cloudflare, Linode, NameCheap, DigitalOcean, GoDaddy. https://try.digitalocean.com/nodejs-hosting/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=paid_social&utm_campaign=Twitter|Droplets|PricePerf_100|Node.js * AD-STACK:----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Admob/AdSense, Leadbolt, Fyber https://www.ironsrc.com/ https://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2016/07/14/medium-publishing https://adspruce.com/html5-game-monetisation * TXT-STACK:---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Medium, Ghost(!), Kialo, TypeForm(!) Wordpress, * PORTAL-STACK:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://html5games.com/ http://gamedistribution.com/ https://games.famobi.com/ https://www.miniclip.com/games/en/ https://www.miniclip.com/games/genre-1320/io/en/#t-w-c-H https://corporate.miniclip.com/developers/working-with-us/ https://itch.io/ https://itch.io/games/html5 http://ludei.net/ https://gamejolt.com/ https://play.idevgames.co.uk/, https://www.humblebundle.com/store https://www.gog.com/ https://www.kongregate.com/session/new (looks like a few...) * PUBLISHER-STACK:-------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.marketjs.com/ https://codecanyon.net/category/html5/games https://www.gamepix.com/ https://www.fgl.com/ (flash game licenses) https://twitter.com/Indieboost_io (!) https://twitter.com/longshot_indie https://xsolla.com/products/paystation https://www.gamezop.com/(!) Please share insight. Stuff might be cross-strack. A few suprises in there marked with (!) gumroad, itch.io, gamezop, indieboost... How to integrate with HTML5 and BabylonJS? Details... L8r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 UPDATE: adSense is "approving" my site - got judgemental - and I moved on. LedBolt "approved" me in 1 day - and now I have ads. GumRoad - looks awesome for "digital content" - "creators" - of .pdf, .blender, .gltf, .exe, and .gif. BUT not .html creators??? <funny/>. I wrote suggesting a, embed paywall option- but then dug down in FAQ and found HTML Links "not in terms of service". After that, itch.io. UPDATE: itch does what I hoped GumRoad would do. INFO: keeping GumRoad because of subscription options (because itch does not do subscriptions?)[juggle 10 things] NOTE: >> Every provider has unique hurdles in the approval process. Also myriad Approval Requirements and Technical Restriction. GOAL: understand this glass ceiling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaselock Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Kinda late to this, not really sure what you are trying to do here. I'm guessing you are trying to get yourself onto other platforms ? If so, the last few projects I've worked on were either (a) self-hosted route -> alpha, beta, blog, grow playerbase -> then the invitations come in from various platforms -> pick and choose (very impt!) -> hooking into provider APIs (nightmare of sorts) or (b) already established on publisher's platform -> prototype a new game with idea -> internal testing -> alpha, beta and the rest goes from there. Instead of trying to go wide early on which just confuses the heck out of your team, initial target is usually narrow focused. Cross that hurdle first and get good enough then the rest follows. I must say that 'getting good enough' means meeting the standard that's alr established on the platform you are aiming for. And that standard is all encompassing, from art, to UI, UX, gameplay, audio, vfx etc. So if your aim is Kongregate, its a very different standard there. On FB, another different beast etc. Alternatively, maybe you don't care about the A grade platforms, since competition is fierce there and you cant compete on budgets or quality. You just want to get your game out to whoever will publish for you. In that case, you could just spam out to the marketing depts of the lesser known platforms. Unfortunately, I don't have insight on this route and can't be more specific, sorry. Quality matters, that's all. Dunno if it helps, just sharing some experiences. Cheers ! JackFalcon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 Very helpful @phaselock. Thanks. As you say - navigating multiple platforms is like a nightmare. Like that. So far so good. The platform Stores, each have laborious "approval processes" - with unexpected requirements (STEAM does not payout until over 100, fb suspends accounts with bird avatar, etc). UPDATE: We found (quick) SUCCESS in the following: LeadBolt(web ads), GumRoad(web sales), and Itch.io(portal). We like Itch.io very much. Kongregate is on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 UPDATE: Deep-dive into Amazon... Fire. 5th Generation Fire Tablet tells us ... "WebGL not supported". With the fire tablet "Web App Tester" After downloading 3 (unwanted) gigs of Android Studio. hmmm... Keep bumping into these ... walled gardens. No like. Itch.io, didn't have any of these problems! What gives? But also Itch.io isn't mobile(?) So the search continues for "something like itch.io" - but on mobile app store. Had high hopes for Amazon. One thing that is nice about Amazon is they have PACKAGED APP fallback. But that is not what we are searching for... Amazon Question: If Amazon Fire supports WebGL, then why is there the error: "WebGL not supported"... Across multiple devices and 2 differnt BabylonJS apps? No answer. OVERWHELMING-CONCLUSION: App Stores are dreadful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFalcon Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 GREAT NEWS!!! PROGRESSIVE WEB APPS... Need to get to know PWA's. WebWorkers... what? Finally... PWA's gain traction in 2018. For good reason... we really need it. https://infrequently.org/2016/06/pwa-discovery-you-aint-seen-nothin-yet/ Looks like Google and Microsoft efforts. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pwa https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/progressive-web-apps/get-started Will update findings here. Anyone attempt PWA? Either way, goin' in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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